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January 31, 2008 | Comments: (0)

Why Vista's too 'incredible' to save XP

From the feature well: Calling Windows Vista Microsoft's "best OS to date," Peter Bruzzese declares that, "the fact of the matter is, Vista is incredible. I've been working with it since Beta 3, and I won't return to that cartoon-looking XP for anything." Save XP? Why bother? You guessed it, Mr. Bruzzese presents a contrarian's voice to our Save XP campaign, basically addressing each point at a time. Security? Vista's better. Resource-intensive? Not so on new PCs. Compatibility? That's not Microsoft's fault. Judging from the comments section, by the by, not all that many readers agree, though one sums up what may be the reality facing IT shops and consumers alike: "Get Vista if you buy a new computer and keep XP if you [plan to use] an old computer." Related: Happy Birthday Vista?

Platforms: Keeping the XP vs. Vista debate alive and fiery here, Randall Kennedy chimes in by examining the latest, "half-hearted campaign by Redmond to convince us all that Vista and Server 2008 are 'better together.'" As an aside, all apologies if you, like me, are from New Jersey and the mere phrase evokes the state's "Perfect Together" slogan, but I digress. Back to Microsoft. "Ignoring for the moment the trite nature of this worn out slogan, the real travesty here is that Microsoft needs to explain the relationship at all," Kennedy points out in Vista and Server 2008: Better Together? "The list is thin to begin with, and there's simply nothing on there to make a fence sitter jump on the Vista bandwagon."

Best of the blogs: Switching gears now, a yearling OS is not the only new kid in town. There's also a nascent dance and it's called the social media measurement hustle. Lena West has seen it too many times already. And I don't mean on some insomnia-curing quasi-reality TV show. "Measurement methods are slick and shape-shifting -- like the guy who tries to sell you the 'found' laptop outside the local pizza shop," West writes. While an Advertising Intelligence Research study lists composition, reach and engagement as the top things advertisers consider, they're all so vague that measuring any is enough to, well, to spur West into another realm those gaga for their televisions support way too much. "Stop waiting for someone else's recipe to tell you how your food is supposed to taste. Create your own."

Posted by Tom Sullivan on January 31, 2008 04:41 AM


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Some of your journalism coverage is very good, but all the bias I see makes me question your validity.

Posted by: andy at January 31, 2008 06:14 AM

"Resource-intensive? Not so on new PCs" mean, buy new PC to get the same as before... with XP. Save your money, stay on XP

Posted by: Marc at January 31, 2008 10:28 AM

I have no desire to use Vista. My Dad has it on a new desktop and I saw no compelling reason to upgrade. Between GlassFish, Eclipse, Database servers, Apache, FF etc it hovers at 1.5 gigs of ram. If I were to upgrade to Vista it would render my current workstation unusable.

Posted by: coz at January 31, 2008 10:32 AM

Vista better... PLEASE SPARE ME!!
I have 2 machines on XP [all fairly new by the way] 3 laptops and a desktop. 2 laptops new in last 3 months have Mista Vista, the Gista is that they run like crap. Nine time out of ten the only way to get one to shut down is to unplug and pop the battery, about 1 out of those 9 times Vista notices and come back in safe mode, mostly it is oblivious. The colors and fade nonsense of Vista I HATE, the local explorer with it's dozens of folders I HATE.

MS PLEASE give us a Classic runs and looks and menus the SAME as XP option!!! I am sick of relearning where everything is hidden for not good reason other than the kids in Redmond like to "mess" with our minds.

I could go on, but you get the point.

P.S. Office 2007… crap

Posted by: Terry at January 31, 2008 10:46 AM

If the new PC is not having enough power it will choke on Vista...many PCs that are sold with the new OS are underpowered...while they would run nicely with XP.

Posted by: Sandro at January 31, 2008 10:50 AM

XP is far superior if you want to run dual boot with Linux. It is easy to reduce the XP partition to less than half the hard drive space with Partition Magic or any of its open source equivalents. You have to use a Vista tool to reduce the Vista partition and it does not reduce below half the original size.

Posted by: Stan at January 31, 2008 10:55 AM

In Oct'07 I got 2 new HP notebooks with Vista Home Premium, I would have had less compatibility/performance/hanging/crashing hassles moving from my old HP XE3 with MS W2k to a MAC/OSX notebook than I've had with Vista.
It seems that whenever Redmond (sales/marketing) decides to give an OS a real name it's not a good omen, remember Millenium.
I work as an IT consultant for 2 global companies neither of which are planning on implementing Vista at present because of the problems with it.

Posted by: Michael Spencer at January 31, 2008 11:09 AM

My son just started a class in Marketing. I graduated with a degree in Business Management with a focus in Sales and Marketing, before I went on to other degrees.

The first thing you learn is to listen to your customers.

Microsoft's attitude is part of the problem - not the solution.

The customers are TELLING you they don't want the cruft you're selling them. They're SHOUTING at you.

This means you need to STOP DOING it and rethink the OS.

Posted by: Will in Seattle at January 31, 2008 11:15 AM

I'm the IT guy for a 2 city, 100 computer network. Once a year, we roll out 20 -25 new workstations and retire the old equipment. As we were due for a batch, I was sent to two Microsoft classes to really get up to speed on Vista. I bought (with my own hard earned legal tender) a new Fujitsu with a dual core 2.0 Gig processor and 2 gigs of RAM. I also added a 7200 RPM drive once I got it to see if that would help. Help what? The sluggish performance, what else? I then bought a key drive as I heard that would help. It does - a little but why should I have to plug something in to get this boost, anemic though it may be? I turned off ALL UAC stuff as that was killing me. I removed completely Office '07 and installed Open Office and that helped. I got rid of Adobe Acrobat and substituted Fox-it. Another boost. I have done about everything I know of, have spent over $1300 and now I have a laptop ALMOST as speedy as my nearly 8 year old Winbook Z1 with Windows 2000 on it. I can't run a LOT of software that I need to and/or wish to under Vista and end up bringing my trusty Z1 with me to do network chores as, by mistake, my Vista machine is Vista Home Premium and it, of course, will NOT allow me onto domains.

My question is simple: what's to like? I have found nothing yet other than the very good looking chess game that comes with Vista.

And as for those 20 machines we just got? They are Dell's and we ordered them with XP Pro. It was decided that we have enough troubles as it is. They still came with Office '07 however and Adobe stuff along with Google everything which we did NOT ask for and were NOT told would be there but at least, they're XP!

NO VISTA is our watchword. Even if they fix it, it's still broke. And Office '07? It's good to have options; I COULD drop an anvil on my foot too - that's an option as well but I think I'll pass as I'd rather avoid the pain. Vista/Office '07 are the same.

Doctor Smith

Posted by: DoctorSmith at January 31, 2008 11:35 AM

Bill Gates is leaving at a good time.

Posted by: Rob McMillin at January 31, 2008 11:54 AM

If there is any other consideration (and there are an overwhelming number), for those of us who might consider upgrading to some version of Vista (I'm not one), the cost factor for those of us who are senior citizens living on Social Security (and maybe another small pension), as well as the ever-increasing number of those in the low income group, this is an impossibility. We managed to upgrade from 98SE to XP, and that's as far as we can go. I think I speak for most of us presently using XP - it works fine and we're happy with it and want to remain with it.

Posted by: Todd Martin at January 31, 2008 12:39 PM

I am testing software on VISTA, XP and WINDOWS 2000. For most practical purposes XP and 2000 are the same OS. The menus are the same. Of course XP is bloated compared to 2000. VISTA is a whole new ball game. A VISTA install takes about 10 times the disk space of 2000 and of course takes an age. The 190Mbyte hot fixes also take a long time to install. Then almost everything is different! You have to learn it again. I would get a MAC but everything is different on a MAC. If I have to use VISTA, I might reconsider OS/X. This is the best possible time for Steve Jobs to open up OS/X to the masses.

VISTA is starting to annoy me. Even the video drivers don't work properly. XP is lipstick on a pig. VISTA is the whole makeup factory on a huge malformed rhinoceros. I have heard it called "The golden hardware hog" needed to drive hardware sales. You need at least 2Gbytes to run at any reasonable speed, more when you load applications. My partner sent her new Sony Vaio back because with Vista is was slower than her old one. Of course your friendly hardware vendor wants you to fall for VISTA. Otherwise, why would you buy a new computer? Reinstalling XP makes it run like a dream on a modest machine, of course performance decays as you add software, but I bet that is designed into VISTA as well. Running VMWARE WS6 on VISTA 64 bit appears use 3 times as much memory for the OS and first Guest as Fedora 8 64 and VMWARE WS6. VISTA is not a work of art.

Posted by: Paul Rogers at January 31, 2008 12:56 PM

Vista scrapes off drivers, tries to force peripheral hardware "churn".

When I search for help from vendors or tech boards, all I get is scorn: "You expect a new OS to support FOUR-YEAR-OLD PRINTERS? HOW RIDICULOUS!"

I think a B/W auto-duplex laser printer, or a 13"x19"-capable duplexing inkjet printer, or even a USB serial dongle, are tools that should be durable investments. Like the drills and saws in my shop; the forced obsolescence is disgusting. And it's not cheapo stuff: HP, Panasonic, ... "We're sorry, but would you like to buy one of our brand-new models that IS supported by Vista?"

Posted by: Pete Klammer at January 31, 2008 02:19 PM

All the hyperbole in the world won't change Microsoft's OS shortcomings. Vista? XP? Get a Mac.

Posted by: Steve at January 31, 2008 04:42 PM

This discussion (or argument depending on your point of view)takes me back 14 years when users complained "til the cows came home" about the cumbersome, cryptic, clumsy, etc...interface of Windows 95 and demanded that our company revert back to Windows 3.11. I would guess for many it is a personal preference or a certain level of comfort with XP that keeps them from moving to Vista.

Posted by: Terry at January 31, 2008 04:54 PM

Vista has finally convinced this long time DOS/Windows user (since the early 80's) to embrace the Mac. Leopard runs rings around Vista, costs a fraction of the price and has more truly useful things (like a backup that's worth a darn) built in. Steve Jobs must be just LOVING Vista. Microsoft is descending/Apple ascending.


Posted by: Don Babcock at January 31, 2008 07:13 PM

I think Microsoft finally achieved what they were reaching for all this time, pure FLUFF, no substance just eyewash! I'm with you Don Babcock, I will say hello to Mr. MAC after many PC's. From MS-DOS 2 to Xtra Problems, I have had my fill of bad drivers and much lost/wasted time on all MS Windows problems and will walk out the MS Door!

Posted by: Gene Poe at February 1, 2008 11:59 AM

I am still very happy with 2000, it does all I need and runs graphic paks very well.
Although I would like to move to Linux.

I think its very sad that a large company has come out with such a crap product, it makes you think how many other US products are as bad.!

Posted by: david b at February 4, 2008 08:45 AM

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