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October 28, 2007 | Comments: (0)
Vista and Windows Server's Best Salesman--New Hardware
First the good news--Vista is apparently a hit, with over 88 million copies shipped thus far. Despite the fact that Vista still has to be widely accepted in the enterprise, and news that standalone sales have been well behind those of Windows XP's during the same point in its lifecycle--59.7%, according to NPD Group, during the first six months of sales. That's not really a surprise, given that 80 percent of Microsoft's Windows revenue comes from pre-installed copies on new computers. And given that most systems come with Vista by default now, Vista's real competition is channel-installed Windows XP.
Windows pre-installs rule on the server as well, apparently. Windows' growth rate is was reportedly higher than that of Linux in 2006, according to IDC, possibly even taking away market share from Linux on new server shipments.
It does seem the steam has dropped out of the Linux market a little after the initial Unix-to-Linux migration gold rush, at least from the standpoint of the pre-installed side of the business.
But how many copies were erased off the computers they came shipped on and replaced with Windows XP or Linux by IT support teams at business customers? No telling. And since most Linux distros don't come with a per-seat licensing scheme--and, in fact much of Linux's success in overseas markets is on older hardware--trying to line up Linux and Windows market statistics is an apples-to-wombats comparison.
Posted by Sean Gallagher on October 28, 2007 07:10 PM
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I'm not sure how many people purchased new hardware with Vista already installed and then replaced the OS with XP. If my experience is any guide then it would be a lot.
I got a new Lenovo T61p loaded w/ 3 GB of RAM and 2.2 Core 2 Duo CPU. With Vista, it's performance was well below that of other much slower machines in my rack. To add to my dislikes, the machine would become unresponsive at times despite my having gone through Lenovo's entire Vista performance optimization steps. This included doing a fresh install of a clean copy of Vista (I'm a MSDN subscriber).
Finally, after about a month of futzing with it I finally took Vista back behind the barn and shot it. With a fresh install of XP SP2, the machine just flies. Very stable and no problems.
I'd also tried installing Vista on a slightly older Sony Viao. Even though the GPU was unablel to do the Aero portion of the OS, it should still have been at least usable. It wasn't. I've also reinstalled XP on this machine and it's now running great.
As far as I'm concerned, I'll wait for SP1 (or even SP2) before trying another Vista install. I can't help but think that there are a lot of other users in my camp.
My next purchase will be Dell since they still offer a choice between XP and Vista.
Posted by: Jeff at October 31, 2007 11:39 AMJeff -- I apppreciate your problem, but the logic is kind of hard to follow: "I did this downgrade, so a lot of other poeple did also". I am sure there are more than you, not sure there is a "a lot", especially since Microsoft extended the timeframe that XP can be pre-installed.
I am in fact on the opposite side; an older Toshiba Tablet PC that had gotten so slow and buggy with XP; and which on a whim I upgraded to Vista one weekend. My origianl intent was to simply reinstall, but I did not have a floppy drive to load the RAID driver; and since Vista let me load the driver from a USB key, I decided to try it. It is WAY better than XP ever was on the same hardware. I cannot tell you enough how well this thing works.
I am very happy with Vista.
David
Posted by: David Howard at October 31, 2007 01:05 PMI'm with Jeff. I buy for my department and no one wants Vista. If I can get XP good, otherwise people instruct me to wipe off Vista and load XP.
I'm a professional and I tell ya, I cannot find any advantages to Vista. It takes 2GB to perform, and it doesn't do anything except look different.
Posted by: Rocket Rog at October 31, 2007 09:03 PMI have to agree with Jeff and Rog. I've been running Vista since the retail version was released. I started with the 64-bit version but had to switch to the 32-bit one. The weren't and 64-bit drivers coming for some of my hardware. I started with a AMD dual core machine and now have it on an Intel Quad Core with 4GB of RAM. Performance is decent but I'm thinking this machine would fly with XP.
I am the network admin for my company. I just built two computers for the office. I order Vista Business for them but used the downgrade rights to install XP Pro. When we HAVE to go to Vista, I will have the licenses. I've purchased 3 notebook computers in the past month and they were ordered with XP Pro. I had a friend come to me last month because he had purchased a new notebook. He want to know if he could wipe it and install XP.
If someone is buying a new, high-end machine I can see getting Vista. Trying to upgrade a working XP machine to Vista makes no sense to me. If the standalone sales mentioned in the article are any indication, a lot of people feel the same way.
Posted by: Dennis at November 1, 2007 03:36 PMNote to David: Congratulations. I have 19 New PCs and one laptop which were recently purchased with Vista preinstalled, as replacements for 400 to 1000 Mhz XP Machines with 256 MB. The Vista machines are all Intel Duo machines with one GB Ram and 256 Mb PCIe Graphics (incl HP Laptop). After two weeks of people complaining that they wanted their old machines back, I bit the bullet and installed XP on all. Thank Goodness that we have a Multi-license which allows me to downgrade, otherwise . . .
Unlike the other guys here, I definitely will NOT upgrade these machines to Vista. They will be replaced in three or four years with XP still on them.
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