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June 28, 2006 | Comments: (0)

Marc Fleury @ JBoss (The JiHat continues)

Marc Fleury is giving the opening remarks at today's OSBC London, and is talking about the rise of open source. As Marc said, it's no longer a question of "Why?", but rather of "How?" with regard to open source. Open source is not going away - it's only going to thrive and dominate.

A few interesting points:

  1. Debt to IBM. He talked a bit about the debt we owe to IBM for getting open source started with its $1 billion commitment to Linux, but noted that IBM seems conflicted now on that initial support for open source. It has a range of software businesses that compete with open source, rather than leverage it, in his words. True enough. In a company the size of IBM, you never get a single, consistent vision.

  2. Bottom-up and top-down phenomenon: the system administrators are driving adoption from the "bottom," whereas CIOs are pushing for adoption from the top down.

  3. Customers need to understand that open source is a viable business model. It's not about "peace, love, and software falling from the sky," but rather about sustainable profit.

  4. Three empirically proven open source business models: "Pure" support play. (Examples: Red Hat, JBoss, Alfresco) "Protective"/dual-licensing. (Examples: MySQL, Sleepycat) "On-ramp" model. Start with a free/open product, and pay for proprietary extensions. (Examples: IBM, SugarCRM)

  5. Customers need to understand the solidity of open source development models. You need a "professionalized core" of development. (See my comments here.) This is an optimized factory - you leverage community involvement, but you take responsibility for core development.

  6. JBoss develops/acquires code in four ways: 1) Self-developed, 2) Acquire other open source projects, 3) IT buyer-generated innovations, and 4) JBoss third-party developer creations.
Marc has been one of the primary innovators in the open source world. Love him or hate him, you've got to respect his candor and dogged determination which made JBoss one of the most successful companies on the planet, open or closed. That's something I respect. You should, too.

Posted by Matt Asay on June 28, 2006 01:34 AM


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Can't I respect JBoss without respecting Marc? I mean, it's a great product, but he's a *very* polarizing character. One of our (er, my) biggest problems with JBoss has been that it is basically controlled, developed, and funded by one commercial entity. Not to say anything negative about Alfresco, but the JBoss model (which I would argue is different from the "pure support play" that a Red Hat or Novell makes, as they don't manage the majority of development) might as well not be open source. Sure, the source code is available, the license is open, the code *could* be forked - but, honestly, how many outside developers are there writing JBoss??? It's the same problem I see with Alfresco, MySQL, SugarCRM, and many other problems. Of course, the counterpoint is that it is a very successful model, and one that works well and is comfortable - when it's managed by an "ethical" company - Alfresco, MySQL, etc.

Please don't think I've donned my rose-colored glasses, I know that most successful open source projects are largely funded commercially. But there's a big difference in Tomcat/Geronimo and the Apache Foundation, in general, in that there's a limit to the commercial influence. Additionally, there's broader community development resources. IBM may throw a ton of money, code, and developers at the ASF, but they don't have a strangehold on the code or the strategy. I'm also aware that projects like Linux, Perl, etc., essentially have the issue, but with a single person holding the control as opposed to a corporation. The big difference that person tends not to be beholden to a corporation or its interests. Therefore, they act more altruistically - or at least tend not to be driven solely by economic factors.

So, the reason this is a big issue or concern is more pragmatic than idelogical. Now that JBoss is "owned" by Red Hat, what's to stop them from "pulling a SourceForge" (a la Enterprise Edition), closing up future releases, and releasing a Red Hat-only product?? Even if they don't go that severe, I have serious concerns about the level of support JBoss will provide for other platforms on an on-going basis - especially as a JBoss user who deploys primarily on Solaris and SUSE. It has made me seriously re-evaluate the position of JBoss as the open source Java app server of choice in the enterprise. With IBM supporting and reselling Geronimo as WAS CE, it becomes even more attractive.

Which brings me full circle back to Marc. One of his least endearing charactistics is the strangehold on the product that he portrays to the industry. It's made me very uncomfortable all along, and I'm staring to believe those fears were justified. Worst of all, he could potentially be striking a blow against reputation of the entire model - one that many open source vendors leverage very successfully and act as good-faith stewards of.

So, I guess at the end of my rant, what I'm trying to say is that Marc hasn't done your industry any favors.

Posted by: Jason C. Kay at June 28, 2006 07:33 AM

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