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June 21, 2006 | Comments: (0)

Zimbra-Open Source Innovation

zimbra_map.gifI constantly try to gauge what the generic strategies are for open source companies. Are the products competing on price or feature differentiation? The reason I am such a believer in open source software is because the development and distribution models allow for both. Essentially, open source allows you to not only be less expensive than proprietary vendors but have features that are better. The new version of Zimbra is a great example of this open source continuum. It's more innovative and better engineered than the competition but remains less expensive to buy and manage.

You may have already seen Zimbra's ultra-slick AJAX based email client but the server itself is really what matters. The UI is merely the transport for all of the cool features. But for the moment to get all the slick stuff you need to use the browser. CEO Satish Dharmaraj said that customers were giving feedback saying "don’t give us this experience and then take it away when I get on a plane. Since the user experience mismatch was/is too jarring they have started working on a client-side solution. The plan is to take everything that’s in the product today and take the experience offline by creating a service that runs locally on your PC and does server-to-server sync on the back-end. The goal is present the same experience as you see online with Zimbra, but done via a small footprint. Meanwhile you can still use Outlook or whatever email/PIM/calendar client you desire.

Zimbra will soon be launching a Zimlet Marketplace Directory (a Zimlet is connector from the Zimbra server to another website or service) that will allow developers and customers who are writing Zimlets to donate them back and/try to get generate revenue ala Salesforce.com AppExchange. Things like SMS, traffic reports and Evite are all natively designed into the server. These Zimlets are very cool but there is probably some level of learning curve for users to really take advantage of them.

Speaking of Salesforce, the beta of Zimbra 4.0 will be out over the next couple of weeks and includes some very cool integration with Salesforce.com including the ability to drag and drop emails, contacts etc into the Salesforce.com. It’s actually far slicker than any of the Outlook integration tools I have seen.

The Zimbra 4.0 beta release also includes a new application, Zimbra Documents which includes Wiki functionality based on ALE which allows you to embed things like spreadsheets into your document.

I think it's a very cool product and I would absolutely kill for a integrated email/PIM/calendar solution for the Mac. They sell direct for companies needing 500 seats or more but there are plenty of partners and channels to buy from.

Posted by Dave Rosenberg on June 21, 2006 08:46 PM


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Essentially, open source allows you to not only be less expensive than proprietary vendors but have features that are better.

Come on guys, enough kool-aid already!

There's nothing unique to open source that allows a product to have better features.

How 'bout less mindless platitudes and more substance?

Posted by: Swashbuckler at June 22, 2006 06:32 AM

That is correct. What open source allows is the possibility of having better features with a lower price.

Since you don't have a link or blog or whatever it's difficult for me to address the Kool-aid part so I will just assume that you are the smartest person in the world.

Posted by: Dave Rosenberg at June 22, 2006 07:14 AM

I evaluated Zimbra about 4 months ago. I liked it quite a bit.

The part that was missing was the ability to Sync with Outlook and PIMs. Having the ability to upload or download is not the same as synchronization.

I should give it another look as some of their features are quite nice.

Posted by: Ken Mulcahy at June 22, 2006 10:38 AM

What open source allows is the possibility of having better features with a lower price.

So, what you're saying is that open source allows the possibility of lower price (that is the differentiator of course). Can't say I know of anyone that disputes that.

so I will just assume that you are the smartest person in the world.

Such sarcasm is rather unbecoming.

Posted by: Swashbuckler at June 22, 2006 11:00 AM

Actually I think Dave's sarcasm is one of his most becoming features. You should read his blog more often.

I completely agree with Dave that open source development is more innovative at a lower cost. That point has been proven countless times by open source projects around the world.

And I completley agree with Dave's other point. It's too easy to critique behind an anonymous name. If you think you are making a worthy argument, why not put your name behind it?

Clint

Posted by: Clint Oram at June 22, 2006 10:41 PM

You should read his blog more often.

I am subscribed to the RSS feed. I read all the posts here. Perhaps you should be more careful about the assumptions you make.


I completely agree with Dave that open source development is more innovative at a lower cost.

No argument on lower cost. More innovative? Not at this point.


It's too easy to critique behind an anonymous name. If you think you are making a worthy argument, why not put your name behind it?

Swashbuckler/SwashBucklingCowboy is my nom de blog. It allows me to voice my personal opinions without potentially impacting my employer.

Posted by: Swashbuckler at June 23, 2006 12:42 PM

Alls fair in the blog world. But if you are going to call my comments baseless the least you could do is give some examples why. The rest of readers don't know that I know your email, but I think anyone commenting should be prepared to suppor their argument.

Talking about innovation:
Firefox is better than IE
Mule is better than Sonic
Zimbra is better than Exchange

and they are all cheaper too

Posted by: Dave Rosenberg at June 23, 2006 01:02 PM

But if you are going to call my comments baseless

I didn't say your comments were baseless, I basically said they were wrong (there is a difference).


Firefox is better than IE

Sure, and Opera, which is not open source, is better than Firefox. But it's not just "better", it's more innovative.


Mule is better than Sonic

I have no experience with either so I can't comment.

Zimbra is better than Exchange

I can't comment on the server side of it, no experience with that. I've tried the Zimbra client and I don't find it any more innovative than Outlook.


So, let's go the other way:

- Is Linux more innovative than Windows? Not "better", but more innovative? I'd say 'no.' (Neither is that innovative these days.)

- Is GIMP more innovative than Photoshop? Not on your life!

- Is KDE or GNOME more innovative than the Mac OS X shell? Nope.

- Is OpenOffice more innovative than Microsoft Office? Not a chance.

- Are MySQL or PostgreSQL more innovative than Oracle? Afraid not.

That enough support for ya?


and they are all cheaper too

Yes they are. But expense isn't everything. Did you buy/rent the cheapest house/apartment you could find? Did you buy the cheapest car you could find? Or did you have additional criteria other than cost?

Posted by: Swashbuckler at June 23, 2006 01:34 PM

Yes, but you are hitting my point--innovation in open source (when it occurs) means that you can be differentiated and cheaper. I am not a big fan of low-price competition in general.

I would however argue that MySQL is innovative in a different way--development model for example. But what matters in most cases is if the OSS products hit par or better than the proprietary ones because of the model itself.

Maybe I was too broad in the original post cause I think maybe we are arguing a non-issue.

Posted by: Dave Rosenberg at June 23, 2006 01:42 PM

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