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January 19, 2007 | Comments: (0)

EnterpriseDB (Andy Astor) on being open

Matt and I have both had conversations with Andy Astor about EnterpriseDB's market positioning. I asked Andy to respond to this post EnterpriseDB's Open (Source) Deception by Seth Grimes.

Andy Astor on Open Source Businesses


In his post on the Intelligent Enterprise blog, Seth Grimes took some shots at EnterpriseDB. In my eyes, Seth's approach was pretty extreme and even sensationalistic. But he did raise an valid issue about the use of the term "open source," particularly in commercial situations.

There are many examples of open source-based businesses in which some or all of a commercial product has restrictions on its openness. In addition to EnterpriseDB, for example, consider SugarCRM, SourceFire, and Jasper. Great companies, all with slightly different business models that allow them to drive revenue while at the same time improving an underlying open source code base. And then there are the closed-source companies that are known by their open source ties, including SpikeSource and Black Duck. All of these companies have a marketing message to craft, and that generally includes associating themselves somehow with open source.

Truth be told, EnterpriseDB has been extremely open with our approach to licensing since our inception. None of the 100+ customers and partners who purchased our products and services in 2006 had any confusion about this issue. Having said that, we've gotten occasional feedback (most of it far more professionally than Seth's blog) that our messaging needed clarification. So, in December, we set about crisping up the messaging at the same time that we simplified our pricing and added PostgreSQL support as a product. The new site went live a couple of days ago, literally a few hours after Seth's blog entry showed up.

EnterpriseDB is by far the world's largest PostgreSQL organization and the largest commercial supporter of the PostgreSQL open source community. Our involvement includes sponsoring two of the seven core team members, employing several important contributors, increasing quantities of code contributions, and paying for an independently-administered PostgreSQL development fund that is currently producing important features such as full-text search improvements. We are committed to furthering the cause of PostgreSQL specifically and open source in general. Indeed, through our own evolution and growth, we are contributing to the development of the new business models that will accelerate the growth of open source.

One thing that can't be argued is that the EnterpriseDB guys are absolutely killing it right now--big sales, big users, huge displacement of Oracle.

Posted by Dave Rosenberg on January 19, 2007 09:48 AM


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Andy compares EnterpriseDB to SugarCRM, SourceFire, and Jasper.

Here's the page to download Sugar Open Source code: http://www.sugarcrm.com/crm/download/sugar-suite.html

JasperSoft open-source downloads are at
http://www.jasperforge.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=16&Itemid=277

EnterpriseDB differs from SourceFire in that I have never seen any claim from SourceFire that their software is open source.

Of course Andy found my exposing his company's deception "extreme and even sensationalistic" -- although after the fact, I find I wasn't first on this story. I see that Matt got it in June 2005 in a blog entry titled "Is EnterpriseDB wearing clothes?" -- http://asay.blogspot.com/2005/06/is-enterprisedb-wearing-clothes.html
-- "It's not open source in the sense of a wide-ranging, code-sharing community."

And a couple of comments at http://digg.com/tech_news/New_Open_Source_Database_Touts_Oracle_Compatibility --

"Not open source as I understand it... Seems like sloppy reporting."

"This database is NOT open source."

"Is this even opensource? Postgres uses a bsd licence, i havent seen anywhere on the enterprisedb website that points to the source"

Andy, attack the messenger(s) all you want. It just draws further attention to the message you'd like to discredit.

Posted by: Seth Grimes at January 22, 2007 07:29 AM

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