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January 31, 2008 | Comments: (0)

Microsoft to Renault: It's tax time!

InformationWeek is reporting a deal between French automaker Renault and Microsoft:

"Under the arrangement, Microsoft will provide Renault with 1,000 "certificates" for Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise server product. The deal also includes a controversial "IP assurance" provision under which Microsoft pledges not to sue customers who use Linux distributed by its partner Novell."

I've asked this before, but why should a customer care about IP assurance? IP indemnification is a vendor issue, just like ensuring environmental rules or workplace safety regulations are being adhered to. It's a disgrace that vendors have made indemnification a customer concern.

"Last year, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer implied that users of Linux distributions from vendors other than those with which it has patent deals -- the list also includes Xandros and Linspire -- could be hearing from the company. "We've spent a lot of money licensing patents," Ballmer said."

For all the positive moves that Microsoft has made towards OSS, silly statements like this must drive Sam Ramji & team to pull out their hair.

You know, I'd actually love to see Microsoft sue a customer because of IP issues. Exactly how much would they sue for to offset the millions of dollars worth of negative publicity and brand destruction?

PS: I should state: "The postings on this site are my own and don’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions, strategies or opinions."

Posted by Savio Rodrigues on January 31, 2008 07:05 PM


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Companies that adopt Novell's SUSE are foolish. They get absolutely nothing in return receive nothing extra apart from 'tax' for mythical unsubstantiated patent claims. Interoperability is just a decoy. There's nothing missing in other offerings. It's like offering you an aura along with your plasma ball.

The ignorance in this area is astounding. The Redmond/Waltham hypnosis has had some people believe they get extra from Novell. Well, that's what one gets when Bill Gates and Microsoft literally own a lot of the media and send messages advocating SLED/S, for which Microsoft gets paid handsomely.

One day people will realise the truth. We already know all about SCO...

Posted by: Roy Schestowitz at February 1, 2008 05:00 AM

no matter what, we will buy SLES/SLED.. why are you sooo jealous? There's no free beers in reality.. go SUSE!

Posted by: hitme at February 1, 2008 07:21 AM

I still contend that the OSS programmer should M$ for slander, to force them (M$) to tell us about the patents. That would solve the problem completely. Patents could be written out or proven in invalid (the last thing M$ wants)

Posted by: lazslo at February 4, 2008 01:13 PM

We own a bunch of licenses for SLED 10, we got them free when we renewed our Novell Licenses. We are in the process of deploying 1000 CentOS 5 desktops. Just personal preference, I refuse to support SUSE as I dislike it immensely and Yast is a pile of crap. Nexi iteration is probably going to be Ubuntu.

Posted by: Jay at February 4, 2008 01:46 PM

According to attendee at a recent Sydney Linux User Group meeting - Microsoft Q&A of which Sarah Bond, Platform Strategy Manager Microsoft. Stated that according to their legal people they cannot reveal which patents are infringed upon because if they do and are they are found to be in breach, then they can claim triple the compensation that they otherwise would be entitled to.

Show us the Patent breaches MS or is it just more fud.

What a cop out.

Microbloat dont care about interoperability only their IP and the money they can make from it. If they really wanted to work with the Open Source community they would embrace existing licenses and not shove the permissable license down every ones throats.

We dont need OOXML or Microsofts unstable platforms and development model.

If I were a company I would tell MS to go and jump regarding their IP. Im not infringing upon their copyright so why should I be concerned.

Posted by: roved2101 at February 4, 2008 01:56 PM

I think Microsoft is fully aware that their patents are just so much sand (or other 4-letter words beginning with s). If they were to reveal them, the F/OSS community would quickly bring up prior art and have them declared void.

In the mean time, by _not_ enforcing their patents, I think Microsoft is setting a precedent for "non-enforcement", that could be used to say, "Look MS says they knew for years and did nothing about it. They therefore have abandoned their patent to the public domain."

Now that would feel very good indeed.

Posted by: Bob Robertson at February 5, 2008 10:48 AM

Actually, it's the infringer (not the holder) of a patent who pays triple, if they're found to have known about some particular patent(s), so that explanation is completely a**-backwards. And if I recall correctly, not pursuing patent violations can also negate a patents enforceability.

Posted by: Bogomip at February 5, 2008 01:02 PM

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