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January 12, 2007 | Comments: (0)

Offshoring: Money talks, programmers walk

The hot debate currently going on in the online pages of InfoWorld Talkback in response to our news story "Survey: Offshoring does not cost developer jobs" misses the point.

The TalkBack pages are filled with comments from software engineers and programmers relating how they or people they know were laid off because the company they worked for took its software development off shore.

The question everyone should be asking is not are jobs in the U.S. at stake -- because employers probably don't really care if they are -- but rather does it make economic sense for a company to take its software development offshore?

I spoke with Barry Rubenstein, program manager for application outsourcing at IDC to see what he had to say.

Rubenstein's comments shot down the claim of the Software & Information Industry Association [SIIA] that offshoring is not costing jobs.

"Cost is a primary driver," for going off shore, said Rubenstein. "That is the main reason."

If cost is the "main reason," logically, that means that companies are comparing what the cost of hiring U.S. workers is versus the cost of hiring workers from Inida, Russia, or China. And if they decide to go offshore, they have obviously decided not to hire U.S. professionals.

Rubenstein added that if you just compare labor rates, then offshoring is "absolutely" less expensive. However, Rubenstein also said, "When you look at the added overhead to manage an offshore team, things get more complicated."

And this is exactly what I've been told time and time again by many companies that have taken their development off shore. It even gets to the point where some have brought it back in house because the cost of overhead outweighed the initial lower costs of labor.

Nevertheless, Rubenstein said there are reasons other than cost why some companies go off shore, citing a mid-sized manufacturer in the Midwest that uses SAP on the backend.

"It is hard to attract highly skilled SAP programmers to, say, work in Omaha, Nebraska. This is a big driver for outsourcing in general and offshoring in particular."

In some situations, there are also skills that companies can't find here, in particular intimate knowledge of legacy applications.

As older programmers retire, for example, Cobol programmers,
especially in the public sector, are hard to find, said Rubenstein.

(Why there are more experts in Cobol elsewhere eludes me. However, perhaps there is an explanation.)

"And these programs [like Cobol] have incredibly poor documentation, and companies have no choice but to turn to outside resources."

Nevertheless, I believe it would be foolish and even mendacious to say that no jobs are lost in the States due to offshoring.

The argument that "offshoring is used almost entirely as a form of expansion, not as a replacement," as David Thomas, executive director of SIIA said, is false on its face.

For every job placed outside of the United States, there has to be someone Stateside who is not being hired.

Again, the real question is, does offshoring make economic sense for companies? And is there no value to be gained by hiring local talent whenever it is possible?

Posted by Ephraim Schwartz on January 12, 2007 02:26 PM


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Lies, Lies, Lies! If they pay enough for the position people will move to Nebraska. You must tune your BS detector better. People go where there is money. This is what moves the world. People offshore to save money. They hope to exploit someone for gain. In the US, workers are highly educated, have rights and don't just believe what they are told. This is problematic for big business. Can you be profitable if people are well informed? Profit comes from exploiting something someone has overlooked or not paid attention to.

Posted by: GeorgeC at January 12, 2007 10:05 PM

hi Ephraim ,

nice article.

"Why there are more experts in Cobol elsewhere eludes me. However, perhaps there is an explanation."

Y2K problem spawned a lot of COBOL jobs in India. Many of these guys stayed on in COBOL mainframe jobs -- some of them moved on to new technologies like java/.NET ,etc but there are a bunch of them who're still available.

The only explanation for how there would be MORE COBOL experts elsewhere (than in US) might actually be aluding to "READILY EMPLOYABLE COBOL experts".

BR,
~A

Posted by: anjan bacchu at January 13, 2007 06:38 PM

Yes, it make sense for a company to do offshoring.

1. Reduced costs. No Healthcare or education because the local Gov't's picking it up.
2. Even if it fails, you get a write-off. Win-win.
3. This one's important. You can now hire a lowly uncertified engineer to write code and nobody in the world will know about it. In the US, we raised the bar by saying you'll be hired if have a BS/MS/PHD and a SAP cetification. But this is fool's gold. Once you get it...your too expensive. Haha :-)
4. Since English is his/her second language you can always claim, "We try to hire the most talented but there must have been a language miscommunication. I thought he was a highly skill programmer."

Isn't it great to be a business. You have so much flexibility in your day to day operation. Don't confuse this with outright lying though.

If I was a business I'd run to offsourcing.

Posted by: GeorgeC at January 14, 2007 08:27 PM

There was no shortage of skilled IT workers willing to work in Omaha before 2001 and there isn't one now. It's all about the price and we can't compete. Let it go. College kids have stopped majoring in computer science and IT for a reason. It's over and there is no point in arguing about it anymore.

Government can't do anything because these are no longer "American" companies. They are not loyal to this country anymore. If Govt tries to force the issue they'll just do a Haliburton and move offshore. You can bet that IBM and Accenture would leave the country in a heartbeat if the U.S. tried to stop offshoring.

Posted by: Sam at December 21, 2007 11:09 AM

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