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June 05, 2006 | Comments: (0)

Vista Hardware: What to Buy Today for Tomorrow's OS

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When you're talking about a 20,000-user enterprise, doing a desktop operating system upgrade generally gets tossed out. Even with smart deployment and OS push tools, dropping a new OS with fully tested application support on several thousand desktops just costs so much in extra man-hour dollars that most CIOs simply let their next PC purchase take care of things for them.

Servers get upgraded first and as the leases on desktop hardware run out, the new desktops coming in have the new OS already pre-installed so sys admins only have to deploy and test the required business applications before sending them out into the field. Your users may wind up using the previous-generation operating system for a year or more, but that's a small price to pay for not breaking the budget or your CIO's blood pressure.

SMBs, however, can be a different situation. A smaller number of machines coupled with (sometimes) a competitive need to be right out there on the bleeding edge mean these organizations sometimes do take the trouble to perform company-wide desktop OS upgrades.

So with this in mind, we started testing the Vista Beta 2 software out here at the ANCL Lab in Honolulu. I'll talk about Vista's coolness somewhere else (probably the Enterprise Windows column), but here I want to talk about what we think the hardware requirements for Vista really are. That way, if you're buying XP desktops today that may be turned into Vista desktops tomorrow, you know you'll have enough hardware stuff to make the conversion work.

So Redmond's recommended hardware specs go like this (and this is straight from Microsoft's Get Ready for Vista Web site):

*512MB RAM (1GB for Premium)
*A 'modern processor (at least 800MHz)", which later becomes more specific for "Vista Premium" as 1GHz x86 or x64 processor
*A graphics processor that can run DirectX 9 with support for WDDM, Pixel Shader 2 and 32-bits per pixel as well with 64MB of video RAM to support a basic desktop monitor resolution 1024x1280
*A 40GB hard disk with 15GB of free space
*DVD-ROM drive

Okay, no offense Microsoft, but after playing with this OS for a while, that's a fairy tale. And for the record, we did try this with a 900MHz CPU-equipped PC that also had 512MB of RAM, a 40GB hard disk (with all 40GBs free) and a 64MB Intel-based graphics sub-system. The only thing that probably came up short here was the Intel graphics card. But even so, that configuration was pitifully slow.

Our next try was a converted Acer 9500. This is a behemoth Windows XP Media Center Edition notebook with a 17-inch screen, a 128MB ATI Mobility video system with all the bells and whistles, a 2GHz Pentium M CPU, 2GB of system RAM and a 80GB hard disk.

Much better. Our video card definitely had an impact on the Windows Aero desktop performance, and it should be able to support DirectX 10, which is expected to ship with Vista as well. 2GB of RAM also seems to be our recommended minimum, not 1GB.

While the system will run inside of 512MB, you're grabbing almost 400MB of system RAM simply by starting the operating system. That leaves you next to nothing to run multiple applications. 1GB leaves you more room, but business users with five, six or more applications open simultaneously as a matter of course are going to want 2GB--and pretty much right away.

We also installed Vista on an AMD 64-bit Opteron machine that's really specced out as a server. We swapped the video card with an nVidia GeForce 7800 holding 256MB of dedicated RAM, however, and things really perked up. This system had 4GB of RAM, which we simply left installed, and two 200GB SATA drives in a RAID 1 configuration.

This machine rocked. Installation went even more smoothly than on the Acer and performance was slick. We even installed some Office 2007 beta discs that we sneaked from...somewhere...and started surfing and opening applications like crazy. Everything zoomed along, except for the usual hiccups you'd expect from beta software.

Overall, I don't think you need the specs of the Opteron machine. That's a server box that we temporarily turned into a pretty meaty workstation. A config like the Acer machine seems more reasonable and most likely enough to handle day-to-day business desktop stuff.

However, there is a kink. Buying systems with 2GB of RAM and a 128MB-256MB video card isn't a big deal. The question mark happens when you consider CPUs. Purchasing a a 32-bit CPU vs. a 64-bit CPU is the issue. 32-bit silicon is enough to run Vista, but we definitely like the 64-bit performance. Only trouble is, if you buy a 64-bit CPU today, you're either wasting it on Windows XP 32-bit, or you're dealing with loads of driver issues if you opt for Windows XP x64.

My advice is to buy the 64-bit CPU now, run it in 32-bit mode and then move up to a 64-bit OS with the swap to Vista. You suffer for a bit, but it'll be a sunny day when you finally do the upgrade. The only caveat here is that if your desktop users rely on a specific XP-compliant application to get their work done, make sure you've spoken to this vendor(s) about their Vista plans and release dates before doing anything.

Posted by Oliver Rist on June 5, 2006 05:16 PM


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Good stuff, I'll definitely be waiting until Vista comes installed by default on new boxes to get one.. Getting a computer that runs vista at top speed today would probably be a complete waste of money because the same configuration will be WAY cheaper next year when the final version of Vista comes out.

How's the weather? Got a tan yet? :)

Posted by: Kiltak at June 6, 2006 11:29 AM

Of course, you could buy new Intel Macs and run OS X today, with plenty of oomph for Vista (if you ever decide to run it).

Posted by: drdreric at June 6, 2006 11:57 AM

Oh Come on DrDreric, don't scare off Microsoft and the computer industry, of course that is the long term plan. This is what Apple saw we couldn't see in the trenches down here. And that is also why Apple chose beaten Intel instead of strong AMD, Intel had to change, Apple was the right partner for that, AMD is too strong to change now. Reversal of tides as so it might happen to Apple.

The choice is upgrade millions of computers to try to take advantage of a new OS that may or may not really meet your needs, buy new super computers that will handle all this or maybe see the middle road here with alternative and give yourself some room for breath as you try to distance yourself from monopolies?

I think we get a better picture of where we are going. Exciting times ahead...

Posted by: Nick at June 6, 2006 03:46 PM

Buying an Intel-based Mac to run Vista is a silly idea for numerous reasons:

1) You can get the same spec hardware for less from PC vendors--same proc, same RAM (or better), same video (or better), same screen specs (or better), etc.

2) Two button mouse/trackpad. This will be a frustration on the Mac laptops running Vista.

3) No Windows-specific keys, save buying a compatible Windows keyboard. Incidentally, Windows key + tab is what triggers the new flip3d effect.

4) Driver support. You might like to use that iSight cam on Windows.

and more...

Why would you buy a Mac and go through that? Sure, run OS X on it if you prefer it. But for running Vista? Unless your personality requires you to buy a Mac to feel "cool," don't waste your money. And, if you look just a little past Dell, you can find innovative form factors and designs and high build quality in the rest of the PC world, too.

Posted by: bluvg at June 6, 2006 07:53 PM

I couldn't even get it to install on my 64bit machine -- Gigabyte K8N Ultra-9, Athlon 64 3500 (Venice), 2GB RAM, 128MB PCI-e Leadtek 6500GT etc., existing RAID disconnected and an expendable 80GB IBM DeskStar installed -- installer wouldn't even start.

Beta 1 on the same setup installs OK, BTW.

Then tried it on a somewhat older GA-7NNXP with only 1GB RAM and Athlon XP3200 (Barton) and the AGP version of the same video card, this time as dual boot with IDE RAID.

Installer went fine until the first reboot, when the machine failed to restart -- all the usual recovery tricks wouldn't work and the RAID system eventually had to be wiped and reinstalled.

M$ definitely have to get their finger out if they want to get it to market next year...

Posted by: Chas at June 7, 2006 05:21 AM

This is a joke right ? Wait until it comes pre-installed. Why buy now and pay for the upgrade ? Can't wait 6/8 months ?

Posted by: dukeinlondon at June 8, 2006 02:35 AM

So what exactly is the business case for Vista?

Posted by: jim h at June 12, 2006 11:51 AM

What a bloated mess! 400 MB just to load the operating system! Time to look more intently for alternatives...

Posted by: John at June 12, 2006 01:25 PM

Seems like we need to plan on throwing more and more hardware (CPU, RAM, etc) with each new version of Windows. And as always Microsoft seems to believe that its end-users will believe in its recommendations.

Posted by: Ram Todatry at June 13, 2006 10:42 PM

why not to get a hang of al LINUX OS for desktop use.., is LINUX asking for much.., i think that's the best OS so far.., even without a heck.., im willing to buy any upgrade of linux so that i can manouever it and make it my own..., will MICROSOFT ever give this kind of freedom with overbulk OS and crashing DLL's it's the worst OS.., pity everybody is used to it

Posted by: kunal mishra at June 15, 2006 02:08 AM

"I'll talk about Vista's coolness somehwere else..."

All related info can be found at www.apple.com/macosx

Enjoy!

Posted by: DBM at June 27, 2006 09:32 PM

actually bluvg, the apple key maps to the windows key on mac keyboards.

and i think this might be a vista only feature but the side buttons on the mighty mouse map to the back button (browser)! i only discovered this by accident.

seems like M$ doesn't mind you running vista with apple hardware, and given that they just released a desktop suite, they might even be encouraging it!

Posted by: ikyouCrow at June 30, 2006 08:27 AM

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