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October 25, 2006 | Comments: (0)

Oracle move a worry for Red Hat

Don't call it Oracle Linux! The database vendor won't be packaging its own distribution of the open source OS, but Oracle CEO Larry Ellison announced at Oracle OpenWorld this afternoon that his company will be offering full support for Linux under a new "Unbreakable Linux" campaign.

Oracle has offered comprehensive support for customers who run Oracle databases on Linux in the past, but the new program is something more. According to Ellison, customers will now be able to receive all their patches, security fixes, and backports for RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux) releases 3 and 4 directly from Oracle. In addition, Oracle will offer its Linux support customers full indemnification from intellectual property lawsuits, like the ones filed by SCO.

Red Hat insists that it maintains a longstanding and successful relationship with Oracle. Remember, though, that although Red Hat does package its own complete distribution of Linux, it doesn't actually sell the OS. Rather, its business model is based on subscription support services. As a result, this new move puts Oracle in direct competition with the Linux vendor -- and, as anyone in the software industry can tell you, Oracle is a formidable competitor.

InfoWorld's resident open source blogger, Matt Asay, was in attendance at the show and has posted screen caps of Ellison's slides, complete with pricing.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out as the shockwaves reverberate across the Linux industry.

Is Red Hat in trouble? Have your say below.

Posted by Neil McAllister on October 25, 2006 03:24 PM


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"Is Red Hat in trouble?"

More like Oracle is in trouble.
Putting your support eggs in one basket is not an attractive idea.

Posted by: RS at October 25, 2006 06:11 PM

If we read between the lines and knowing Oracle; I think that Oracle wants to buy red hat but doesn't have the money.

Posted by: Joe Daily at October 25, 2006 06:24 PM

Oracle has the money. Red Hat doesn't have any interest in selling. They've made this clear to a number of prospective purchasers. Heck, they don't even like working with partners. Trying to work a deal with Red Hat usually makes the partner feel like the vendors who go to the little cubicle offices in Little Rock to sell to Wal-Mart. Except Red Hat hasn't yet realized that unlike Wal-Mart, they don't have a lock on their markets. As someone who's been involved with multiple companies who have tried to work with Red Hat, I much respect what they've done for the Linux business world, but I don't see them being around for the long haul.

Posted by: GB at October 25, 2006 09:31 PM

Why should we get our RH support from Oracle again? Are they gonna be all MS about it and say they'll only support ORCL on RH if we buy contracts for BOTH? I'll be switching DB suppliers So.Fast if that happens. Maybe not /fast/, but it'll mean the beginning of the end of ORCL getting one red cent of mine. I rather trust the smaller gorilla, thanks, especially if it's their product. Is ORCL so short-sighted/arrogant they don't /get/ that?

Posted by: bish at October 25, 2006 09:50 PM

...although Red Hat does package its own complete distribution of Linux, it doesn't actually sell the OS.

This isn't correct: Redhat Enterprise Linux is the most expensive GNU/Linux version, in all it's variants. Redhat has a free (free beer, free spech) os out there called Fedora. Anyway this Oracle move is quite amazing to me.

Posted by: Marco Ghirlanda at October 26, 2006 01:27 AM

Oracle support folks haven't given a very good impression of their Linux knowledge in the past. Either this is set to improve with this new effort (good for all Oracle customers using Linux) or it could mean this plan is going to fail spectacularly (bad for Unbreakable Linux customers).

Posted by: MR at October 26, 2006 02:03 AM

oracle does not have the money? they considered buying novell :)

what it looks for me is that they want to buy red hat, paying less for it

Posted by: alexandre at October 26, 2006 05:10 AM

They can support Debian GNU/Linux without buying anything or asking anyone's permission.

Posted by: moe at October 26, 2006 06:11 AM

If you run any Oracle you know how long it takes for them to patch their own software.

Posted by: Jay at October 26, 2006 06:12 AM

Oracle has more money than God, as evidenced by their continuing acquisition spree. However, as Larry expressed in recent interviews, buying open source companies that have no IP protection for their products doesn't make business sense because they have no valuable assets.

With this announcement, they get to steal the leading product directly from the leading Linux vendor and package it as part of the application stack they sell. And yes many sites want a single support point for the whole thing.

Posted by: Wat at October 26, 2006 07:08 AM

Joe Daily....Oracle doesn't have the money? As per their last filing, Oracle had $28B in assets and over $8B in cash and marketable securities alone. Sounds like enough cash to me ;-)

But, sure, if Oracle or anyone else wants to buy Red Hat in a little while, this move by Oracle should ensure that Red Hat's market cap is lower.

I've taken a shot at some 'what if' here:

Posted by: Savio Rodrigues at October 26, 2006 07:20 AM

To Marco Ghirlanda

All Redhat software, including their enterprise editions ARE free, in SOURCE form, per the GPL. Binaries that contain RedHat's IP (their tradename and images) can't be redistributed, but the source can. That is how CentOS and WhiteBox Linux make fully compatible versions of Redhats versions of linux, using the free SOURCE to compile their own versions.

This has nothing to do with Fedora, which is a seperate product.

Posted by: Anonymous at October 26, 2006 10:27 AM

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