Who the hell is this idiot who wrote this article? Thought infoworld had higher standards than have fanboys on its payroll.

Pazz-
You don't read or get out much, do you? Otherwise you'd know that Mr. Yager doesn't hesitate to pan a so-called advancement if it isn't fanworthy.

Thanks, Tom, for a review that non-gearheads can appreciate.

Tom,

I think you should seriously consider revising your "editorial", because almost nothing in it is based on factual information.

Time will prove him right

We'll see about that. Spider platform has almost nothing interesting besides the quad GPU setup, which at the moment, still doesn't have the driver ready.

Spider won't make a dent in Core 2's market share. But I agree, we'll see half year from now.

What? Have you read any of the reviews? This must be a joke, because any true enthusiast already knows that this chip flopped.

Tom Yager,

I am an AMD fan, but lets be real here the spider does nothing but inject itself with it's own poison...lol. If Spider is for the enthusiast you got your head on bass ackwards.... because all enthusiast's have just about turned out all the lights and are leaving the building.

The phenom has trouble even beating it's own Athalon 6000+ X2 cpu.

Tom, whatever the hell you're smoking it must be really good. Or someone has paid you nicely for a bunch of lies. Certainly you must be smarter than this.... sheesh.

You should talk about the great things about the Radeon HD 3800 series since it was part of the ALL-IN-ONE launch party.

If the Phenom chip is aimed at enthusiasts, underclocking does not help in overall performance. If I wanted a slower chip I would have gotten a Sempron. You failed to mention all the terrible things about the B2 revision of the chip.

We will just have to wait for this new platform to mature. If they can get to or above 3Ghz and go with 2 socket 4xCrossfire.. You never know.. From all of the reviews the ATi 3870 gpu scales nicely. Maybe the rest of the amd parts will scale really well and they can take the lead via brute force Ex: 8 cpu core and 4 to 8 GPU cores.

Its all wishful thinking but never say never....

Wow and I only thought the AMD fanboy idiots live @ Tom's hardware and AMD Zone.
To the moron that wrote this article:

Phenom is not the first 65nm chip you dolt. The first one was a K8 X2 Brisbane. I should know since I happen to be running one @ home. AMD has never had a successful chipset platform of its own pre ATI so there is nothing to return to. AMD has had to rely on third party chipset makers like Via and Nvidia and before the merger ATI. Phenom so far is proving to be a joke really. Maybe in a couple revisions it will prove itself but currently it is not really any better than K8 X2's. In some cases I have heard it is actually slower than an X2 6400+. So far nothing has really panned out with the merger except for delay after delay. Yea the HD 38x0's are showing to be pretty good but still nothing that can compete with the 8800 gtx/ultra.

After reading Tom's column for years and after 30 years of PC use I am more inclined to believe Mr. Yager than the Intel fanboys. If Tom has shown any bias in the past it has been pro-Apple, which is now an Intel pseudopod. New hardware is difficult to evaluate because it usually has to be tested with old software. Optimize for Spider and I'll bet it will be a hot (but cool-running)platform.

Tom,

There is not enough BS in your article to describe a total failure of a product as something worth for an enthusiast. I don't believe that any enthusiast looking after performance will buy Phenom. It can't compete in anything against the slowest Kentsfield:
- performance
- performance/MHz
- performance/price
- performance/Watt
- power consumption
- overclocking

I am sure you haven't missed all the articles from all the reputable sites with analysis, data and facts:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3153
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10427&page=1
http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/AMD_Spider_Platform__Phenom_790FX_RV670/
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2218301,00.asp
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_phenom_preview/
http://www.techwarelabs.com/articles/other/phenom-spider/
http://www.bcchardware.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4889&Itemid=81
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/19/the_spider_weaves_its_web/
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?type=expert&aid=483

BTW, Are they paying you enough to act clown?

Thanks for the readable review. Nice job.

This article is full of lies, and the fact is twisted in the opposite. The name of Info World is way down to the ground. Sad...He must be on AMD's payroll to spread such FUD.

T. Yager has been a long time, long winded proponent for both AMD and Apple.... he drives some people nuts, like this editor at EDN:

http://www.edn.com/blog/400000040/post/1790014379.html?text

http://www.edn.com/blog/400000040/post/1070005107.html

Thanks for the fella who linked the review data above. Though it is nice to see AMD is actually shipping review units, apparently Tom must be at the top of their favorites, most all other journalists (which Tom is not one) did not get this courtesy:

http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/13677

Yeager,

When will you realize that AMD has pulled a fast one on you and other legendary supporters?

You have been an AMD apologist and mouthpiece for as long as I can remember.

AMD has asolutely nothing good this round to compete against Intel.

Examining AMD's balance sheet and its position with OEMS, not to mention the disastrous purchase of ATI when it could least afford it, have afforded AMD's position as Intel's 2nd banana.

Good luck. Maybe you could fill in Henri's shoes.

"For starters, Phenom is AMD's first 65-nanometer part."

What about Brisbane, idiot?

"" "For starters, Phenom is AMD's first 65-nanometer part."

What about Brisbane, idiot? ""

It is clear he doesn't research what he writes about ... some time ago he claimed Barcelona would be the first x86 chip with L3 cache, failing to mention Tulsa was launched months before that with 16 Megs of L3 cache.

It is Intel CPU. AMD can forgive Tom about that. But what about K6-III? Does L3 on board counts?

Yeah, I did not go back that far... forgot -- but that was on the board :)

Talking about Spiders though, the platform was aptly named:

http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/13721

Hey Tom,
That was a beautiful article man, I had tears running down my face from all the laughter I did.

What a humorous article, if you can call it that.

Usually so called "journalists" are expected to do a little bit of due dilligence and fact finding to be able to write a well balanced piece.

Since we know that Tom is an AMD fanboi, I didn't expect a well balanced piece. But he could have done much better.

Tom, next time please do a bit of research. We all know you sleep with an AMD machine under your pillow. If there were an AMD blowup doll, you'd probably be the first in line at the store to get one.

George Ou is light years ahead of you.

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